Buying Alcohol With Expired Driver
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(That whole issue of not wanting to lose their alcohol license & business). Legally speaking in every US state it is illegal to sell to someone with an expired ID, used to work in retail and have had to obey that law or face termination and legal consequences. Secretary of State - Renewing a driver's license and special licensing situations such as renewing early. Prohibited occupations generally involve dangerous equipment (cookers, slicers), dangerous materials (such as toxic chemicals), or dangerous duties. (driving, roofing). In addition there are specific restrictions regarding employment in hotels and in businesses that sell alcoholic beverages. Department of Labor.
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I am a key hourly at a tgichillibees. Sunday lunches have been busy the last few weeks but today was a slow one. Slow does not mean boring of course. In walks a couple, man and woman. They proceed to sit themselves at a nearby table without even looking at the host.
It was in my friends section so she heads off does her spiel and they order drinks. His ID is expired by a few days. She rejects it and he isn't happy about that. They say they need more time so she heads out back. A few minutes later who does she see sitting at the bar trying to get the bartenders attention?
Yep the guy from the table. As soon as he sees her he turns and walks back to the table. Now this is where it gets funny, they now get up and walk across the restaurant and it down at another table that open. At this point I have already told all the servers to watch out for this guy. The new server is asked for a drink and again rejects his ID because it's expired. They now ask for a manager. Sweet my time to shine.
I head over and do the fake smile and 'hey guys I heard there was an issue?' 'Yeah I wanted to get a drink and they girl said you won't take my ID.'
Buying Alcohol With Expired Driver's License
'Can I see your ID?' I take it and look it over, it's expired by 2 days. We can't take any ID that's expired, no matter what. I'm not getting in trouble or losing my job over a $3 bud light so I had it back over with the 'I'm sorry your ID is expired we can't accept it.' He of course gets angry over this and just complains up a storm. 'No where else cards me, It's accepted everywhere else, they don't even card me at the liquor store up the street, I just don't have my other ID on me and it's the weekend it's not like the RMV is open.'
Finally he just looks at me, like he pulled one over on me and says 'Why did they accept this card last week?' I look right at him and say, 'Well the card wasn't expired last week.
We have plenty of drinks that you will like besides the beer, i'll give you a few to look through the menu and your server will be by' I walk off and they are not happy, but again nothing I can do. They order a few sodas and some lunch. The entire time he is complaining up a storm to anyone who will listen. He apparently had a friend at another table who he talked to for a bit and complained about us. Next thing I see is they walk outside to their car and smoke. They stand there for a bit then get in their car and drive off.
The meals coming up in the window as they round the corner. I just shake my head and laugh and tell the other manager on duty what went down. He laughed too and just said 'well all the servers get a nice snack out of it' and then proceeds to call and warn the other restaurants around us that someone is out trying to use an expired ID. People are just the best sometimes. But you are not a judge or a police officer or a customs agent. Your responsibility is to make sure you do not serve alcohol to anyone under 21. It is not your job to make sure everyone has legal identification, just that they are 21 if they want alcohol.
An expired ID card is still enough proof that a person is of age IMO. If it was restaurant policy, that is another matter but I have served plenty of people with expired IDs. Now, if the guy was a total dick for no reason BEFORE he ordered the drink, then yeah. Find any reason to make his dining experience less pleasurable including not serving him alcohol for bs reasons, I'm totally on board with that scenario too but since a server is not a deputised court officer, an expired ID should have sufficed. A person is not required to carry valid ID on his person at all times anyway. Only when driving and various few other activities.
If I am walking down the street with an expired ID in my pocket I am not breaking any laws. They have to have legal proof that they are 21 and expired licenses in MA are not legal proof. I live and work in MA and under the law there are a few acceptable forms of identification to purchase alcohol: (1) A valid Massachusetts Driver’s License (2) A valid Massachusetts Liquor ID Card (3) A valid Massachusetts ID Card (4) A valid passport issued by the United States government (5) A U.S. Issued Military ID card From what I've heard, MA is a bit stricter on ID's and alcohol, so maybe it's different where you live. Info on valid forms of identification for purchasing alcohol was found in the RMV handbook which is where you go to get a new license when it expires.
People are just the best sometimes. I don't know.
I mean I understand you are following laws at this point, but it's the laws that are stupid as fuck, not the people. I'm not american but I too would find you fucking ridiculous for refusing to serve a visibly grown man because his ID is expired by 2 days. I don't blame you for covering your ass, but this is where I would use discretion and evaluate the actual risks to be exactly 0 and serve the guy. But then again, I live in a place (not too far!) where legal drinking age is 18 and even if you managed to serve an underage kid, the trouble you'd get into would be pretty small.
It's one fucking beer. How surprising. Edit 2: All right folks!
It is perfectly reasonable to ask the elderly for their ID, because it's the law. The majority of you seem completely incapable of critical thinking. If breathing became illegal, I guess you'd just hold your breath. Good for you!. I've never been a fan of that way of thinking. The US is one of the few places on earth where you are allowed to go at your business without identification. Wanting a drink, when you're over a certain age shouldn't, change that.
Yes, if you're between the age of 21 and let's say 28, you should expect to get IDed and should carry one on you. But asking the ID of anyone over that age is fucking ridiculous. Again, I understand that it might be the law/rule in certain places and I'm not blaming the employee for following the rule or law, but it's still pretty ridiculous. In Quebec, the law is 'ID everyone who looks younger than 25' since legal age is 18. Which I find reasonable. Ain't many 17 year old looking like 26 year old around.
But I've seen bartenders in US airport ask the ID of middle lady and senior citizen and I thought that was stupid as fuck. That I understand as well, I was not annoyed at the fact that he found the law ridiculous, I can see exactly where he was coming from. The fact that he tried 3 times across the restaurant like we were just going to give up and the bigger fact that they ordered and then just left as if to hurt us is the part that really annoyed me. If the law in this instance gets you annoyed you should see the baseball and football games around here. You need an ID In hand at all time to get drinks no matter the age.
21 or 121 if there is no valid ID there is no drink for you. I mean, I guess I wasn't directing this comment at you particularly; it's just something I saw often in this sub and I found really weird.
In a semi-related way, I remember this bartender bitching that the customers didn't respect their 'no-drinks on the dancefloor' rule. And all along, I was thinking: what kind of ridiculous rule is that?
Is it a club dancefloor or is it a grandmother's living room. Don't get annoyed at club goers for taking their drinks on the dancefloor, get annoyed at your boss for this stupid ass rule. The no drinks on the floor rule I can understand. I would bet money that someone sued for a slip and fall from people spilling drinks on the floor. If he lost or won it's a hell of a lot easier from a liability standpoint to just say no drinks on the floor than try to fight every time someone slips, no matter real or imaginary. But that does remind me of something that was just batshit insane.
I live in a state that bans outdoor drinking thats not on a patio or within the restaurant. We had a few guys from Florida drinking at the bar. Nice guys no trouble what so ever. They head out to smoke a butt and they take their beer with them. We didn't see it but a cop driving by outside did. The way he reacted you would have thought they stomped a puppy in front of a bus of orphans. He berated and yelled at them outside and then dragged them back in demanded the manager and tore him a new one to.
That is a rule that I have no idea why it was a big deal. They were not causing trouble and it was an honest mistake on their part. The cop acted like it was a felony.